Episode 173

From Law Enforcement to Life Protection with Captain Cathy

How aware are you of your surroundings? Retired law enforcement captain Catherine Trimboli shares decades of experience about personal safety and situational awareness, revealing why our phone-obsessed generation has become sitting ducks for criminals.

This GenXer spent 30+ years in law enforcement, working everything from jails to freeway patrol as a deputy, sergeant, lieutenant, and captain. Her passion for empowering women and families grew from witnessing how many people lack basic safety awareness and confidence in their daily lives.

The conversation explores generational differences in safety awareness. While Gen X grew up without smartphones constantly demanding attention, today's workers face unprecedented distractions that compromise their situational awareness. Harvard research shows humans operate on autopilot 47% of the time - a dangerous statistic when applied to personal safety.

Catherine emphasizes practical solutions for workplace safety, especially for blue-collar workers who travel between job sites. Simple changes like having three different routes to any destination, parking in well-lit areas, and conducting brief research before visiting new locations can dramatically improve safety outcomes.

The discussion reveals how predictable routines make people vulnerable targets. Taking the same route at the same time every day creates patterns that criminals can exploit. Breaking these patterns while maintaining awareness of body language, posture, and confidence levels helps project strength rather than vulnerability.

Highlights:

  • Humans operate on autopilot 47% of the time, creating safety vulnerabilities
  • Always have three different routes to any destination for safety and flexibility
  • Smartphone distraction makes people easy targets for criminals and pickpockets
  • Stance and movement matter - confident posture deters potential threats
  • Trust your gut feelings when something doesn't feel right in any situation
  • Workplace lighting and buddy systems improve employee safety and morale

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Transcript
Steve Doyle (:

Welcome back to Bluecaller BS Bread. How you doing today, my friend?

Brad Herda (:

I am wonderful Mr. Stephen Doyle. am absolutely fantastic and for our listening audience as you watch these clips and see these things just know that Mr. Doyle is annoyed because he did something stupid to his own computer screens and his own things and paying attention to detail might matter don't you think Steve?

Steve Doyle (:

Yes, I did.

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah.

It might matter to some people. At some point, I'll get it through my head. just a PSA out there for everyone is don't set a piece of stapled material inside your on your keyboard and then shut your laptop cover because you might crack a screen and not be able to use or see shit. So just FYI. So having fun with that.

Brad Herda (:

Yes, pay attention. Details matter, right?

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah, details matter. Those details matter. So Brad, who do we got on the show today?

Catherine Trimboli (:

Thank

Brad Herda (:

it turns out we have the sister of a friend of mine on top of it that we just found out pre show, Catherine Tramboli, retired law enforcement captain with over 30 years of experience, providing expertise in that, providing personal safety protection and security services tailored for women and families. She's focused on empowering individuals feel confident and safe and secure in their everyday lives. Just have that peace of mind. She's driven.

Steve Doyle (:

Thanks.

Brad Herda (:

driven professional servant leadership, fun individual, has her shit together, knows what she's talking about. Slightly off topic for our normal show, but I thought we felt it was important for people to understand how safety and awareness across all generations is so important. So Catherine, thank you for being here.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Thank you for having me.

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah, thank you. So, Catherine, before I forget, which generation do you fit in or identify with?

Catherine Trimboli (:

I'm a Gen Xer.

Steve Doyle (:

Hell yeah.

Brad Herda (:

says the millennial.

Steve Doyle (:

fuck off.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Definitely Gen X, you know, the great music, yeah. Drinking out of the water hose.

Steve Doyle (:

Nice.

Brad Herda (:

Right. Come home when the streetlights are on. No helmets on our bikes.

Steve Doyle (:

yeah.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Correct.

Steve Doyle (:

That's right. No helmets on the bikes.

Catherine Trimboli (:

No helmets, no participation medals, none of that.

Steve Doyle (:

Nope, you lose, go home crying and save the drama for your mama, because she didn't want to hear it, loser.

Brad Herda (:

Exactly.

Catherine Trimboli (:

You're right. I'll give you something to cry about. That generation.

Brad Herda (:

Exactly. Right.

Steve Doyle (:

That's right.

Brad Herda (:

So how did you find your passion for personal safety through your years of law enforcement?

Catherine Trimboli (:

say working with, well, I've been blessed and fortunate enough to work with in so many different divisions with so many different people. I started out in the jails working with inmates. That's kind of where you learn how to talk to people and then moved on to as a deputy, as a sergeant, as a lieutenant, and then as a captain. So in the supervisory roles, getting to see and kind of help the individuals both.

you're the ones that are working for you and then people that you come in contact with. But one thing that I noticed, I I grew up with, I have two brothers, I grew up with tough love, I grew up with boy cousins. So I kind of grew up with that like edge and I'm a little spicy, I'm an Italian. So I carry myself in a way where I'm like, hey, you know, I'll, I'll give it right back to you. But I noticed that a lot of women are not

Brad Herda (:

really didn't notice.

Catherine Trimboli (:

like that. And I think they lack confidence. And I think some of it is, I think it's kind of twofold. Some of it is they're taking care of everybody else all the time, and they're they feel like they come last, right? They're like, I'll get to when I get to it. And then some I think just don't think that they believe that they're worth it or that they deserve it. And I feel like the more empowering women you can get together, there's safety in numbers.

the better it is. And I feel like my passion came from, really want to help them to understand. And what I would see a lot of the deputies or the police officers that would retire males and they would start a business and then they were serving males. So they're working with other males where some of the females maybe not sign up for them because it's easier to relate to and talk to a woman. So that's where a lot of it came from. And I mean, I love

you know, seeing how kids react or their families or even like I have a niece and a bonus niece in college right now. One goes to Marquette University, downtown Milwaukee, one goes to UWM. So same thing there, you know, seeing the different things that they encounter.

Steve Doyle (:

So what have you seen generationally in terms of the need for safety?

Catherine Trimboli (:

I feel like let's just talk about the now, right? The now generation. As we said, yeah, if you want to call it that. You know, our generation, we didn't have our little smart dumb devices in our hands all the time that we're constantly on them and distracting us. I mean, we probably had other distractions, but

Brad Herda (:

Correct. Otherwise known as Gen Z.

Steve Doyle (:

Mm-hmm.

Steve Doyle (:

the

Catherine Trimboli (:

you know, traveling to and from, whether it's walking down the street, going somewhere. We're so distracted all the time, right? Now it's all instant instant gratification, instant like you can get the news right now. what, what time is there? What are you doing? Wait, I'll tell you right now. So we're so distracted. And I think all of those things play into like having a situational awareness in law enforcement. call it situational awareness. All that means is you're aware of surroundings. You're looking around.

Like anytime I go into a place and I think it's just habit, because it's like built in our brains and our blood, I look around and then I, people stand out. Like I would say, yeah, that guy with the blue hat and like bright yellow sweatshirt was sitting over in the corner and he left green. It looks like that greenish yellow, like the highlighter marker, the green highlighter marker.

Steve Doyle (:

you

Brad Herda (:

It's green actually. It's, it's Grinch green. Sorry.

Steve Doyle (:

You

Brad Herda (:

I noticed she was calling me out because I'm paying attention to the details.

Steve Doyle (:

I know how talk to him. Okay. Yeah, I mean, it's really hard not to notice you're the only one on here with freaking lime green shirt.

Catherine Trimboli (:

you

Catherine Trimboli (:

Hey, he's trying to get sunshine somehow. It's in Wisconsin. there's no, it's a little dreary lately. But you know, head on a swivel we say, right? So you're looking around and like pick out. And a lot of that is in law enforcement, we tell people be a good witness. So when you go somewhere and I've been with friends and I'm like, oh yeah, did you see that one girl who walked by and she had that cute pink top on and

Steve Doyle (:

It's hot in

Catherine Trimboli (:

you know, if something happened and then my friends are like, what, how did you even see that? And it's just not saying that everybody has to be that aware. It just happens. It comes naturally, but people can work on that and have a better situational awareness, your surroundings, what's going on around you. But you know, the funny thing is Harvard did a study and they said, humans 47 % of our time is done on autopilot. So

Have you ever driven to like work or somewhere the same thing you do every day, right?

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah.

Brad Herda (:

Did I actually stop at that stop sign?

Catherine Trimboli (:

And at the end, yeah, you get to where you're going and you're like, I don't even remember driving to fucking work. Cause you are like on the phone or watching, listening to something or like thinking about what you had to do at work or what have you. And then, or you come out and you're like, where the fuck did I park? And you're like, I'm in this row. Oh no, that was yesterday. I'm over here. You know I mean? Like it's.

Brad Herda (:

Unless you're coming out from the bar, that minute might be legit, who knows?

Catherine Trimboli (:

Well, yeah, that's a whole different podcast for that. But it's the whole autopilot thing. So it's helping you understand, like getting some self-awareness and having some situational awareness and being aware of your surroundings because we're so distracted, right? We're so distracted all the time. So.

Brad Herda (:

Right, exactly.

Brad Herda (:

So from that routine perspective, let me ask you this question, right? Because there's a lot of, we're blessed to have a little bit of an older audience as well. So we do have some boomers, we do have some Gen X, some Silent Generations listening to the show, which is mind blowing to me that we actually have some of those folks, but they get into a routine, they get into a habit, right? And they do the same thing over and over again. Tuesday, I do this, Wednesday, I do that, Thursday. So it becomes.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Right.

Brad Herda (:

Apparent to others to witness those habits and potentially take advantage. How do you suggest? Those habits be broken up so that way you are Creating opportunity for being better aware of what's happening. So just being stuck in your routine

Catherine Trimboli (:

Right.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Well, the first thing I would say is we have the same route that we travel, you know, 90 % of our lives, right? Whether it's to and from work, to and from school, to and from the gym, whatever. You take the same way every single time. You should always have at least three routes to get to your destination. A couple of reasons for that. One, if, and we experience this a lot in law enforcement, I would work on the freeway. The exit ramp was closed because there was a crash.

There's people driving by. They'd stop. I have to go this way. I don't know any other way to go. And I'm like, well, keep going. You can get off the freeway and you can turn around, but we could, you can't sit there and talk to them and give them directions. Cause you're in the process of taking care of the situation. And I'm like, no, but so many times they're like, I don't know what else to do. I don't know where else to go. You know, it's like they're pre-programmed. They have to get off on that exit. And if they don't, they're going to like self implode.

Steve Doyle (:

You

Steve Doyle (:

Steve Doyle (10:04.906)

Mm-hmm.

Catherine Trimboli (:

So, but finding alternate routes. And then the other reason for that too is to keep yourself safe because if you only have one route, you're predictable. Now, if there's something going on or somebody's gonna follow you or there's a situation where something gets ugly, they're gonna know that Brad drives.

down this street every day and at 3.15 he turns the corner and then at four o'clock he's pulling in his driveway or his garage then he drops walks down and gets his mail like every single like you're predictable. He was stalking me.

Brad Herda (:

Are you stalking me? Are you stalking me?

Steve Doyle (:

You

Brad Herda (:

I just want to know. just want to know where's the surveillance cameras. That's all I want to know.

Steve Doyle (:

Right?

Catherine Trimboli (:

but that's one of the things. So when you start to do things like that and you start to become more self-aware, right? Glancing at your phone, maybe if you're, let's say you go, you're traveling somewhere, you go to another state. Brad, me and you go visit Steve in Detroit and we're going to walk from the hotel down to the bar. We're to pull out our phones and we're going to do the GPS. But so many people are like staring at it and they're like, do do do. Well, what do you think the criminals looking for?

The easy target and you just made yourself an easy target, you know.

Brad Herda (:

We're going to to the pawn shop on 7 Mile Road.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Yeah. but you know, and two, it's like your stance, your, way you walk and carry yourself, we call it stance and movement in the training aspect. So it's the way you stand, you're standing up straight, your shoulders are back. You don't have to be like a board, but you know, and then you walk with confidence. So it's the way you stand. It's the way you walk. It's the way you look like, yeah, I'm like, don't fuck with me. I know my shit, like move on.

Steve Doyle (:

this one.

Brad Herda (:

Exactly.

Catherine Trimboli (:

You carry yourself a different way and they don't look for people like that, you know

Brad Herda (:

How about, how about workplace, right? So we, we talked to a lot of trades folks in our, in our show, lots of construction manufacturing. how do people, what's your suggestion for people to stay aware of their surroundings in a work environment, not a construction site, going to and from a job site, you, or you might be parked not in the same place all the time or it's just different, or you just, you're, you're, you're transient as an employee going to different places.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Right. So I would say first and foremost, understand if it's, if you have a job, a particular office that you're going to. And, you know, in Wisconsin, Detroit too, it can be dark when you go into work and it'd be dark when you leave depending on what time of the year it is, right? Cause our days are like this big. So if you don't feel comfortable,

Steve Doyle (:

Yep.

Catherine Trimboli (:

in that parking lot, talk to your managers or your owner and say, hey, look, is it possible to get a little bit more lighting or something, you know, a gate, a locking gate, something like that, right? So as business owners and as managers, you can help your employees feel safe and then feel better that you care about them. Cause I'm sure all of you watching do. And then they're feeling better because they're like, it's so, it's well lit. So now when I go park, I'm going to park where it's well lit and I'm going to.

Or like you said, park in a little bit different of a spot, but park close enough to the door where you feel safe coming out. The buddy system for sure, if you have somebody that you can walk in and out of work with. But going to job sites, again, parking where it's well lit, but also just do a brief search before you go to understand where you're going, what's around you. If you have to.

go a different way. You you're going to put it your GPS. They're going to tell you to take this street, go left, go right, and you're in the parking lot. But you go that way or something looks a little shady and you're like, I don't want to go that way. So you're to go around the block and, you know, come through the back parking lot into the, where you have to go in or what have you. But doing a little bit of research and having some understanding before you go is sometimes a game changer because now you're more confident. You're like, I know where I'm going. I'm good.

And I think we get so accustomed to, like I travel a lot, we get so accustomed to going somewhere and you're like, it's fine. I'll get to the airport. I'll call an Uber. I'll throw it in my, I look at my phone. You know what I mean? We get so used to that. And sometimes you gotta be like, wait a second. I gotta check this out first.

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah, I remember when I was, I went to London in the fall by myself. So I took a bus to, from the outside, you know, out by the airport all the way down to downtown London. Then I walked for three miles. No, and I had no, I looked at my phone. kind of knew where I was going, but it was interesting. So I was aware that I couldn't just sit there and look at my phone. So I literally had my phone. It was in my hand in my pocket as I'm walking.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Yeah.

Steve Doyle (:

but just noticing how everyone was down looking at their phone and nobody was looking at, they weren't looking up. And so you could stop, and I actually stood in like one of the squares that were there and just observed how many people were not aware of their surroundings at all. And then I'm like picking out and I'm like, I bet you that person's gonna go pickpocket them. And I would literally watch them go do that. And it was just like,

Because you're not paying attention to anything. was amazing. It was awesome. It is amazing. I was like, this is awesome. No, I was like, I was just taking it all in because I was like, you know what? was cool. I didn't even see them. They weren't around. Not that I can tell. But it was just pretty cool.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Right.

Brad Herda (:

We've actually saw somebody go pickpocket somebody.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Amazing. And I'm like, hey, you stop.

Brad Herda (:

Anything called-

Even call the Bobbies or whatever they're called in London, the police.

Catherine Trimboli (:

well, I think with that, too, you're missing out on like this beautiful whatever like sightseeing, whatever, wherever you're at. Right.

Steve Doyle (:

the environment, everything.

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah, so I was just like I was just kind of blown away from just the sheer amount to your point When you're out walking around of how many people truly aren't really paying attention to their surroundings

Catherine Trimboli (:

Right. Right.

Brad Herda (:

Yeah, I when I went to China in 2012 and traveled solo and it's like, okay, I'm there by myself and I'm trusting that I'm going to get the driver at the end with my name on the card. we have an office and stuff over there, but it's like, okay, cool. then we get the, here's the taxi driver taking me to the hotel and their rules of the road are way different than our rules of the road, right? It's like, okay. And I'm watching like,

Steve Doyle (:

yeah.

Brad Herda (:

And finally, when I realized that it was, this is just how it is and I'm not in control and I see that there's not accidents everywhere and cars are all right. Like, okay, this is just there how they can drive within their realm and their world. And it's like, okay, you just got to trust that. Yes, I'm a visitor, but be aware of what's all going on.

Steve Doyle (:

You

Catherine Trimboli (:

Right.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Great.

Steve Doyle (:

Mm-hmm.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Right. Yeah. I mean, I think another thing with getting back to like what people can do maybe at home, but also employers and business owners can do for their employer, employees, their staff, or even their loved ones, you know, aside from getting the lighting, but you know, the ring, we, I'll say ring doorbells or ring cameras, right? But you could probably get any type from Amazon nowadays.

But having them out there and having the motion sensors and their recording so it can pick up. think just having that little level of safety, so to speak, makes people feel a little bit more comfortable and may deter someone from doing something that, you know, where they're walking into a place and it's dark, you know, the parking lot is dark, the lights are out, they've been out for three weeks. Oh, I'm going to go, they don't give a shit. I'm going to go over here and, know.

Carjacks somebody.

Brad Herda (:

Well, and how you were in law enforcement for many years. That tail end of your career, how many stupid things did you see that was recorded on video? Like, how would you do this when you know that everything's being recorded everywhere? Right? mean, everything is, something's being recorded everywhere. And now with all the traffic recordings and all the intersections and just all the things and all the houses and it's like being able to track somebody is not that

Steve Doyle (:

Right.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Right. Right.

Brad Herda (:

difficult anymore.

Steve Doyle (:

at all.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Right, right. I mean, that's

Brad Herda (:

Which is scary shit, which is which is not comfortable from right from going from nobody knows where their kids are when we were growing up to hey, we could probably track them about anywhere around the world now and instantaneously know what's going on is way freaky.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Yeah.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there is like an aspect of like not too long ago. Someone's like, I saw you on TV. I'm like, what? I was at a fundraiser. They saw me. I'm like, all right. Good. So and I did not get in front of the camera. You know, I didn't speak at that one. But I think to look to your point, Brad.

Steve Doyle (:

Mm-hmm.

Steve Doyle (:

You

Catherine Trimboli (:

that a lot of like crashes or incidents that have happened on the city streets, Milwaukee police department has went to the neighbors and asked them for their ring cameras and were able to solve or find the person who caused the crash or what have you because of the ring doorbell cameras, which I think there are some neighborhoods where they go and they distribute them, right? So they must've got grant money. They go and distribute them. now, I mean, that's a win-win, right?

Brad Herda (:

Right, right. And I wish they would, I wish the news media would publish more of that. They talk about the accident, but they never talk about the recovery or they found the person or they did whatever. And here's how they found them. Cause it may, cause it may deter things from happening if more people were aware of some of that.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Right.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Well, I think the reason, point might be because some of the neighbors are like, I'm not telling, because then they're going to come after me. So I'll give you this footage, but you can't say how you got it. So there's that weird balance of.

Steve Doyle (:

huh.

Steve Doyle (:

yeah.

Brad Herda (:

Fair, fair. All right, Steve, bite your tongue. Go ahead. This'll be fun.

Steve Doyle (:

Mm hmm. Yep. yeah. New segment. The new segment called bite your tongue. So has there ever been a situation or scenario that you've been in where you have said something and in reality you were like, shit, I shouldn't have said

Catherine Trimboli (:

Yeah. Yeah.

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah.

Brad Herda (:

You

Catherine Trimboli (:

There has been.

Brad Herda (:

You wanna share one? Just one.

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah, just share one. You don't need to share, know, nine or 40 of

Catherine Trimboli (:

boy.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Well, let's see. I think when I was a deputy on the freeway, I pull over this guy for speeding and he's on a motorcycle, but it's weather like today. Right. Well, for people who don't know what today is, cause this could be summertime when this posts, right? It could be like 10 degrees outside, 10 to 20 degrees outside. Right. When he was all bundled up and I, you know, write his ticket, I come back, I hand him I'm like, you know,

It's little cold to be driving a motorcycle, don't you think? And I immediately bit my tongue because he looked at me like, bitch, this is the only fucking transportation I have. immediately felt that. was like, sorry.

Brad Herda (:

Right? We assume.

Catherine Trimboli (:

And here I'm giving him $150 ticket for speeding. was like, but yeah.

Brad Herda (:

So you're even more late for work.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Yeah, right. Or wherever he was going. And colder, because then he had to stop. Right.

Brad Herda (:

Well played. Civic duty, yay!

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Take it to court, they'll reduce it.

Steve Doyle (:

man.

Brad Herda (:

So give us a little summary of the services that you're offering now that you are out of law enforcement and what you're trying, what you want to do and how you want to support the safety for women and others in your communities.

Catherine Trimboli (:

So one aspect is speaking and training engagements, which is getting in front of a room of women leadership groups, schools for students, whether it's men or women, and the YMCA gyms, things like that. people have just, my goal is to educate, to get people to understand.

And think about from a different perspective, right? I have a different perspective than most people that are in business if they weren't in law enforcement or military, right? You have like a different mindset. And getting people to understand and going, I never thought about it that way. Like a different perspective of it. So educating so they can understand, because then a couple of things that they can do in their daily lives, the stance and movement, walking with confidence.

Glance at your phone and put it away or just put it on the side where you can still hear it So you're paying attention to your surroundings being a little bit more self-aware Having that little bit of situational awareness if you have that little gut feeling or the little hairs on the back of your neck stand up Something doesn't feel right trust your gut trust your gut because then you're like so I knew something wasn't right how much

Brad Herda (:

And yet I still did the show with Steve.

Steve Doyle (:

Yep. You did.

Catherine Trimboli (:

How many of you said that, right? So those little things. So the training aspect of it, but then also for women who, let's say they just got a divorce or they bought a new house in a neighborhood they don't really know, doing home, what we call home assessments. And it's basically a home check. So I go through and I will check to make sure that, you know, your windows lock, your doors lock. Does somebody else have a lock? Well, let's change those just to be safe. We can get somebody in and it's fairly inexpensive to get those changed.

getting you not just the ring doorbell camera in the front of the house, but getting you that hole for your entire home, especially in the backyard by the door, by the windows and having the motion lights. You know, I said a Shark Tank idea have is getting one of these ring like.

Brad Herda (:

Don't tell everybody in our audience, they're gonna steal the idea.

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah, I'm telling you, This is hell-ass. This is hell-ass.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Think about Kevin McAllister on Home Alone, right? And having like, you have something in your house, you go on vacation for two weeks, and something like the lights come on and music starts blaring and people look like they're dancing. And then they're

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah.

Brad Herda (:

I want the charcoal lighter on the doorknob. That's what I want.

Steve Doyle (:

You're not a twit.

Catherine Trimboli (:

Yes, they're like, Marv, someone's home. But in actuality, you know, making sure that their house and their home is safe, is secure. And then they have an extra layer of peace of mind, right? They have an enhanced peace of mind because now they're like, I actually do feel better that I know that nobody can get in, you know, or are they going to bed going, that faulty lock on the back door, you know, when they woke up, they just were able to pull the door open, even though it was locked.

you know, that type of thing. yeah, and doing training and speaking sessions like that.

Brad Herda (:

How do people find you book you do those things? How do they get?

Catherine Trimboli (:

I'm on LinkedIn under Katherine Trimboli. I'm also on Instagram. I mean, that's my personal page, but it's Kat Trimboli. since I am, I just retired in August of 24. this I'm, you know, I'm in my infancy stages. I haven't created a website yet, but I will be very soon.

Brad Herda (:

Okay, awesome. I'm super excited that you were here to share because and knowing that Steve was a witness to a crime, international crime now, could be a warrant for his arrest out here as opportunity. So we do have a listening audience in London, just so you know, Steve. So you may be criminally.

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah.

Steve Doyle (:

Yes, do it. Do it.

Steve Doyle (:

Do it. Do it.

Catherine Trimboli (:

You might have saved someone's life.

Steve Doyle (:

Yeah, didn't happen.

Brad Herda (:

So, so, Catherine, thank you so much for being here today. We really appreciate your stories and your opportunity and say hi to Dan for me when you talk to him as well.

Catherine Trimboli (:

I certainly will. Thank you guys for having me. It was an honor.

Steve Doyle (:

Thank you.

Brad Herda (:

Okay. Honor. Okay. All right. Have a great week. Thanks.

Catherine Trimboli (:

haha

Catherine Trimboli (:

You too.

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